Welcome to another edition
of The Dumbest Timeline, everyone.
Series 2.
AI.
I love saying it that way
because it feels like it's
this dramatic thing.
But if you guys are listening to the show,
you know I am serious about the subject,
but it's not that serious in my head.
Although I would say some of
you who've been messaging
me or coming back to me on
the subject feel that it's
that serious because the energy has been,
hey, we should not want
artificial general intelligence,
like I said in the first episode.
But I've been saying for
years that I'm interested
in the singularity.
So it's not new for me to
make that comment.
And it's also not new for me to, I guess,
defend the idea.
I'm not as much defending it
as saying this is something
I personally find interesting.
And in a world where AI is
being trained properly and properly being
an unbiased training,
which is almost impossible,
but in that world,
I want an artificial general intelligence,
singularity.
We'll see if we get there.
On this week's episode, we have a guest.
We're talking with Samara.
Samara is a colleague of
mine from work who is also
studying music production.
And it felt like a great
opportunity to talk to
someone who's in a creative
space while AI is kind of
growing the way it's
growing at the pace it's growing.
In the last episode,
I talked about Suno and Yudio.
So...
it almost felt perfect to
talk to someone who is
making music right after an
episode where we talked
about an AI or two AIs that make music.
You know, like I said,
Metro Booming's BBL Drizzy
became one of the most
popular biggest hits.
If you notice,
it was never officially released.
It's not available on
streaming platforms because
the licensing for the song
wouldn't have been possible
as it was created with a
sample that was generated from an AI.
And those are all the types
of things that I am looking
forward to discussing more.
But tune into this episode
right now with Samara and
we'll be back with more after.
What's up, everyone?
This is Brian Holidae,
and we're just continuing
our series on AI, AI use, AI and art,
AI and creative spaces.
We're here with Samara.
Hi.
Samara is a colleague of mine at work.
We did a test run of this
interview earlier,
which you'll never get to hear.
But at the time,
I referred to her as the
intern because that is how
you started out.
But at this point,
you've been a colleague for so long.
You've done such great work.
I felt like it was doing you
a disservice calling you an intern.
Thank you so much.
I'm honored to be working with you.
Oh, please, not with me,
with the whole team.
Obviously, with the whole team.
Yeah, not just me.
I mean,
I would love if it was just me
because I'd be special,
but there's a whole big team.
The reason I wanted to talk
to you specifically is
because you are currently,
if I'm not mistaken,
studying music production.
Right.
And in 2024,
AI became a big thing in the
last couple of years.
And you've been studying
music production about the
same time as AI has been coming up.
Yeah.
So I would say first thing,
how does that even feel for you?
I mean,
in the school that I'm in currently,
we're not really using AI
as much as we should be maybe.
Oh, interesting.
I feel like I use AI way
more at work than I do at school.
Yeah.
Because we're just learning
the basics of production.
And I feel like music has
always been without AI.
So why change it up now if
it's only been a year that
it's so incorporated?
True.
We didn't talk about this earlier,
but do you think...
because it's an interesting point you make,
you're not using it at your
school at all.
Do you think it does you and
your fellow students a
disservice to not be
learning about how AI is
being used in music?
Oh yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
I think so.
Because even just like when
you mentioned it earlier, I was like,
I'm like so not involved in
this whole AI thing.
And I'm kind of scared of
like how that's going to be
when I actually work in music production.
Like how is that going to feel for me?
Yeah,
because if other people are using it
and being trained on it,
and then you come along and
you've been trained this way,
you're now...
Not necessarily paying catch up,
but you're going to have to
reformat how you learn
things in conjunction with the AI.
100%.
Yeah.
And I asked you earlier too,
you making music and
working as a producer and stuff like that,
now that you've seen,
because we played around with Suno AI.
Yeah.
And I think the other one's called Yudio,
both of which are being sued, by the way,
for those of you who don't know.
Yeah.
And when we talked about that,
I remember the first time I
played it for you, you were like,
this is kind of crazy.
I was shook.
Yeah.
I was like,
how can I spend weeks working
on a song and that takes two minutes?
Yeah.
And it sounds better than
anything I've produced.
Well, I don't know.
I'm just, you know.
Yeah,
I would say it might sound better
than anything you're
producing now as a student starting off.
So I think that's fair.
Because remember, someone said recently,
if a human was to read
every book ever written, they would spend,
it would take them like,
they can only get through
like 80 million books in their lifetime.
Whereas like an AI can get
through 80 million books in a day.
That's insane.
So you're, you know,
it's obviously a disadvantage.
But at the same time,
one of the things I always
say is AI doesn't have, like,
the spark.
It doesn't have the spark of creation.
It doesn't have like, you know,
the Greeks would say amuse.
Like it's just mimicking
everything that's come before it.
It's not personal.
That too.
Yeah.
I feel like that's the thing
also like that I'm not so
scared about with AI is
that when you're a producer,
like you can be with the
artists and like
communicate what kind of sound you want,
what vibe or whatever.
But AI, it's like, I don't know,
produce me a beat that sounds like this.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
And what have you worked with?
Like some of the people in
your class that you've worked with,
do you know if any of them
are using AI outside of?
Nobody.
No.
Oh, really?
Nobody.
I mean,
they use chat GPT for like studying
classes.
Sure, sure, sure.
It's not the same thing.
But music production wise?
Nobody.
Everyone just like wants to
do it like themselves, I guess,
and have an advantage of
being like good on their own first.
Yeah.
And then maybe use AI to their advantage.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
I think like, you know,
with the recent people I've spoken with,
the kind of dichotomy has
been some people see AI as
a tool and some people see
it as something that's
going to ruin the industry.
Yeah.
They all agree, though, however,
that big business is going
to use it and abuse it and
creatives are most likely
going to use it and
innovate with it if they do
decide to use it.
Yeah.
But I feel like there's
always like two different
types of people.
Yeah.
Like even like on SoundCloud,
there's like artists that have, I mean,
just people who use AI to
produce like beats of like,
let's say Drake.
Yeah.
An AI beat that Drake made or whatever.
And it kind of sounds better
than what he's actually putting out.
That's scary in my opinion.
Like imagine like your whole career,
you make like good songs
and you're like popping off
and then one person on
SoundCloud makes an AI beat.
It's just crazy to me.
I'm interested.
I still think,
The thing that will come...
Because I feel like the... I like AI,
but not in the context of
taking over the world and
stuff like some of my friends think.
I know some of you are
listening to this and laughing right now.
But I like AI in the sense that
I find it interesting.
First of all,
what we have right now isn't even AI.
I still refer to it as large
language models or advanced
learning systems because
none of it is... It's not
an intelligence.
It's not creating on its own.
It's just been able to mimic...
at a faster rate.
And I'm still waiting for
the singularity version
where we have an actual AI
producer make something on
its own completely from scratch.
And you're not scared about that?
You don't think it's going
to ruin a lot of people's careers?
I think it will... I don't
think it will ruin careers
because I think...
In our entire lives,
we've advanced with technology.
From like,
and this is going to sound
pretentious as fuck,
and I don't mean it to,
but like Beethoven and
Mozart and how they were
writing music to how Christopher Drake,
Hans Zimmer,
and all these guys are
writing music for film.
Technology has advanced so
much that the way they
write and the way they used
to write is probably very different.
They probably have tons of
different things.
They might even have new
instruments that weren't
even around at the time.
They have different tools.
They have different
advantages for how to
record the sound that they're making.
Beethoven and those guys
didn't even get to record their,
like they heard people
perform their pieces,
but he didn't get to record
it at the time.
All that stuff I take into consideration.
So the idea that if there is
ever an artificial
intelligence that comes
along and can create on its own, um,
I'm like, cool,
but there's still always
going to be a human doing something.
I mean, unless they take over the planet.
Which, yeah, then everything goes to shit.
Yeah,
which if they have taken over the
planet and the AI overlords
are listening to this,
I've been a supporter since day one.
And I welcome the AI overlords.
Oh, we know.
I know.
I remember that convention
about AI and you were there.
You were present the whole day.
I was excited.
I wanted to be in the mix.
Yeah.
I find it interesting.
I really do.
Samara, thank you so much.
Thank you, Brian.
Is there anything else you
would like to tell people about AI,
your interest, your disinterest,
your last final thoughts?
My last final thoughts would
be I don't think I'm as
scared as I once was after
this conversation.
I think that it will
eventually help the
industry in many ways.
Yeah.
As long as, you know,
producers and artists stay
true to themselves.
Yeah.
And don't let it take over.
Yeah.
And I think also, fingers crossed,
they get more control.
Yeah.
I think I honestly feel that
this is one of the things
that I'll give my final thought.
I've mentioned this before.
I truly believe that in a
world where artists have
control of how AI is trained and used,
we have a better chance of
something positive coming out of it.
Right.
I agree.
yeah all right guys that's
another one uh thank you
for jumping in and uh
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