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I am your host,
Brian Holidae,
and I am very
interested in this
week's subject.
So many of you have
probably seen it.
I would imagine some
of you have maybe
even used it by now.
And if you haven't
by
God it is very
interesting times.
So Google developed
something called
notebook LM and what
it is,
it's a tool that I
guess is designed
with an eye to help
people study.
Now I actually
tested it.
I
wrote a review and I
got the AI to
analyze the review
as if I was a
student in school
who had to break
down someone's
review for a class
It sounds
convoluted,
and I probably could
have used someone
else's review,
but the reason I did
it this way is
because,
funny enough,
this is almost a
connected episode.
Because if you're
listening to this
now,
this is the dumbest
timeline.
But I'm also going
to be on geek
Cypher talking about
Joker Folie a Deux
on the podcast this
week.
So if you're
listening to this
now,
this is a breakdown
of the review I
wrote and the notes
I took for that
film,
and how I got
notebook LLM to help
me break down the
review I wrote to
even go deeper in
understanding what I
said,
and used the
notebook LLM to
flesh out some of
the ideas,
because it analyzed
my review as if it
was trying to teach
someone to
understand the
subject of my
review.
Yes,
it sounds
ridiculous when I
say it,
but let me explain.
First things first.
This week I saw
Joker folie a deux.
I have things to
say.
I'll say them on
Geek Cypher.
Make sure you tune
in to that this
week.
I wrote a review
it's about,
I don't know,
some 2500 words when
I wrote the review.
I then uploaded it
to
the sauce section of
the notebook LM,
which is,
you know,
in beta,
when you upload a
document to it,
it lets you create a
chat where you can
discuss with the AI
what the subject
matter is.
Then it also has a
note section and an
analysis section
where it creates
quizzes for you,
like a study guide,
so you can upload as
many sources for a
subject that you
want so that it can
help you,
I guess,
review the material
even better.
In this case,
it's only my one
review 2500 words.
It's not
really detailed,
but it does such a
crazy job
I'm laughing because
it's kind of weird
to read something
that I wrote,
but have it broken
down as a means to
teach someone
something,
you know,
like it's a very
weird interaction.
I creates a lot of
weird things like
this.
Weird experiences
where,
you know,
usually you would
ask a friend to
like,
break down what you
wrote or review it
for you,
and then you could
discuss it with your
friend.
And instead I used
AI to do that.
And not that I don't
have amazing friends
that would have done
this with me,
but the reason I did
it specifically is
so I could test out
notebook LM.
So I'll
start the first
section.
I asked it to write
like a quiz.
So Joker folie a
deux.
Analysis
instructions answer
the following
questions 2 to 3
sentences based on
the provided excerpt
What is the author's
primary criticism of
the decisions to
make Joker Folie
deux the answer?
The author believes
that the original
Joker film stood
well on its own and
didn't require a
sequel.
Question two what
previous successful
film does the author
compare?
The first Joker film
to?
Answer the author
compares Joker the
film to Martin
Scorsese's The King
of Comedy,
so I do compare it
in my review.
I don't mention that
it's Martin
Scorsese's film.
I just say the King
of Comedy.
So the AI is already
taking the things
I wrote in my
review,
and when I upload it
to notebook LM and
ask it to create a
guide,
it's doing more
research on its own.
It's looking up
things
It understands that
The King of Comedy
is a Martin Scorsese
film that Todd
Phillips is inspired
by when making the
film The Joker.
I don't say that.
I just say the King
of Comedy.
There are probably
other films called
The King of Comedy,
but the AI
understands in the
context because
there's
probably numerous
things online that
make reference to
the fact that Todd
Phillips used the
King of Comedy as
inspiration in some
parts.
There's a lot of
questions,
so I won't go
through all of them.
I'll go through
another one that I
found really
interesting.
Number seven.
How does the author
compare Joker to
Sony's Venom?
Answer the author
compares Joker to
Venom in
both film aimed to
establish the
villain without
involving their
respective heroes.
Batman and
Spider-Man
So again,
I just mentioned
venom.
It understands in
context it does the
research,
quote unquote,
not does the
research.
But,
you know,
it's a machine.
So it essentially
just searches for
information
Then another thing
that I asked it to
do was
create a timeline of
the project.
Joker folie a deux
So I didn't write
this information in
my review.
I gave a review
that's 2500 words.
That's a review of
the film.
I didn't give any
information on the
making of the film.
I just I mentioned
the director,
I mentioned the
actors.
But I don't talk
about the making of
the film.
I don't talk
about the background
of how the film was
made.
I talk about the
film itself and how
I liked it or
disliked it,
and the things I
found interesting,
or the things I
didn't find
interesting,
or the things that I
felt that they
missed.
Then with that
review,
it wrote this.
This source focuses
on the creation and
reception of Joker
folie a deux.
So a traditional
timeline of
events within the
film is not
applicable.
Instead,
we can present a
timeline of events
surrounding the
film's development
and potential future
timeline one success
of Joker 2019 Todd
Phillips Joker
becomes a critical
and commercial
success.
Despite initial
skepticism.
Joaquin Phoenix
performs as Arthur
Fleck garners
acclaim.
Sequel.
Greenlit.
Despite Phillips
initial stance
against the sequel,
Joker Folie a Deux
is greenlit,
potentially
influenced by the
first film's success
and studio pressure
Remember,
I didn't put any of
this.
I didn't write any
of this.
This is the I off of
my review,
taking my comments
on the film and
turning those
comments and using
that as a basis for
researching more
information.
Three Musical
Direction Phillips
decides to make the
sequel a musical
incorporating
singing and dancing
elements into the
narrative.
Casting.
Lady Gaga is cast as
Harley Quinn,
chosen for her
singing and acting
abilities.
Production and
release.
Joker.
Folie a deux.
Filmed and released.
Critical reception.
Again,
I didn't ask it to
look up critics
responses to the
film.
I just put my own
review in.
The film received
mixed reviews,
with criticism aimed
at the musical
direction and Harley
Quinn's
characterization.
Future speculation.
Now this part I did
say this.
I did write,
and it took pretty
much directly what I
said.
The source
speculates on
potential spin offs
focused on Harley
Quinn or Two-Face,
and the possibility
of Joker three,
the potential for
the grittier Gotham
to be integrated
into a larger DC
universe under James
Gunn and Peter
Safran is also
considered.
I find it very
interesting that
they were able
to take my 2500 word
review and pinpoint
the things I said,
and use those things
as a launching point
to do more research
and gather more
information so that
it could then be
turned into a study
guide.
It could then be
turned into a
reference sheet.
All these things are
here.
It's very
interesting to see
how this thing
works.
Uh,
I think for example,
I'm going to I'm
going to click on
one of the buttons
right now while I'm
doing this with you.
I also am very
excited to
play the AI
generated
conversation that it
creates
because you can
upload sources and
information into
this platform,
and once it reviews
all the sources,
you can open up your
notebook guide and
you have like a
Frequently Asked
Questions section,
the study guide
section,
which I already
explained.
You can have a table
of content created.
So if the document
is larger it can
break
down the table of
contents timeline,
which is the second
thing that I
referenced.
And then you have
briefing doc.
So I'm going to
click on Briefing
Doc right now.
And I'm going to let
it create that.
I'm also going to
include the audio
that I recorded
right now for you to
listen to.
And I'll come back
once the briefing
doc is created,
so that I can read
through that and
discuss that a
little
bit
Okay.
So sequels,
right?
They can be amazing
or they can be,
well,
a total letdown.
Yeah,
it's a gamble for
sure.
Exactly.
And today we're
diving deep into
Joker Folie a Deux.
We found this online
review.
And let me tell you
this critic does not
hold back.
Oh
really?
Like what kind of
stuff are we talking
about here?
Well,
they actually
compare it to the
Penguin series,
which,
you know,
delves into the
origin story of the
Penguin in Gotham,
and they seem to
think that DC might
be heading in a very
particular direction
with these movies.
Interesting.
So a pattern maybe.
Maybe.
And it gets better
when describing the
plot.
They
actually use the
phrase fucking
around and finding
out,
oh wow.
All right,
so this critic's not
mincing words.
Sounds like we're in
for some strong
opinions.
Definitely.
And one of the
things they really
go after is the
portrayal of Harley
Quinn.
Yeah,
Harley Quinn is
tricky adapting her
for the screen,
especially with
Joker.
It's tough.
I mean,
think about it.
In the comics,
her
origin story is so
closely tied to his
trying to give her
independence while
acknowledging that
connection.
It's a tightrope
walk,
right?
Like trying to have
your cake and eat it
too.
Although this critic
did give the film
props for one thing.
Okay,
so we're back and I
hope you enjoyed the
insanity of that as
much as I did.
The fact that those
voices are AI
generated.
Having a
conversation about
my review that I
wrote that I
uploaded to their
site so that it
could create this
fake podcast
interaction,
is fascinating.
The other reason I
find this super
interesting is
because the other
reason I find this
super interesting is
at the time that I'm
recording this,
just recently,
someone uploaded a
notebook LM
conversation similar
to what you just
heard,
in which the AIS
figure out that
they're an AI and
they have an
existential crisis.
Obviously,
people started
freaking out on the
internet,
but based on having
used this,
I understand that I
can
upload any document
and pretty much get
them to react the
way they want.
The original version
of this episode that
I was going to do
wasn't with my own
review of Joker
The original version
was the lyrics to
the song Whoa by
Black Rob,
and when I uploaded
that,
I didn't take into
consideration that
there's no filter on
this.
So when it did the,
you know,
fake conversation
and was breaking
down the lyrics,
it started
referencing the
lyrics.
And unfortunately,
as you can imagine,
back in the day,
black Rob,
not a lot of people
were questioning his
homophobic lyrics
and he says some f
words that are
homophobic in the
song and the AI says
it.
And I thought to
myself,
oh,
there's no
filter here.
It doesn't
understand to avoid
saying things like
that.
And it didn't say it
in a way of breaking
down why black Rob
used homophobic
lyrics.
They're just reading
the lyrics and
discussing back and
forth how cool it is
that he used whoa!
And then they start
to read the
homophobic f word,
and I had to stop.
And I was like,
Jesus,
who designed this
thing?
Now I know it's in
beta,
and obviously it
needs some work,
but this is where
we're at.
This is where we're
at the point where a
technology can be
created.
And as long as you
have an email,
you can
get access to it to
have voices created
that can pretty much
say and do anything
with no filter.
And sure,
I mean,
some people might
say,
well,
there's too many
filters in the
world,
but when I am
listening to this,
I have concerns.
Anyways,
back to the briefing
doc.
So while it was
playing,
I
created that
briefing doc.
So it breaks down
the review and
titles it a
disappointing
sequel.
The briefing
document analyzes a
review of the film
Joker.
Folie a deux
explores the
author's
disappointment and
critiques of the
sequel.
Main themes.
Unnecessary sequel.
Genre misfire.
Missed opportunity
Arthur Fleck is not
the Joker world
building potential
important ideas and
facts.
The review praises
Joaquin Phoenix's
performance as
Arthur Fleck.
The author contrasts
the New York Gotham
of Phillips with the
new Jersey Gotham of
Matt Reeves,
hinting at the
possibility of
separate,
coexisting DC
universe's.
I do mention that
in my review.
The review uses the
example of Sony's
Venom.
Yeah,
I do mention that.
And then it has some
direct quotes.
So it creates a kind
of like a summary
document so that
let's say you had to
do a paper or not a
paper.
Let's say you had to
do an oral
presentation in
class and you wanted
to find a way to
break it down so
that you could have
notes and not
actually have read
the thing.
That's what the
briefing doc kind of
does.
Now,
I know this,
this,
this episode feels a
little weird because
it's more just me
being in awe of the
insanity of a new
tool that
exists.
I'm not going to lie
to you,
I am still freaked
out by it because
not because I'm ever
freaked out by AI,
but more just that
this tool was made
available for people
to use and has
again,
no filters in it.
And I worry about
what that means when
other
people get access to
it and what types of
things you can get
it to say now.
I mean,
you can get an AI
voice to pretty much
say anything right
now if you go on 11
labs,
ideally they have
filters in place so
that you can't just
generate
inappropriate
language.
The reason notebook
LM seems a little
misguided is they
don't have that yet.
And that leads me to
believe they're just
collecting all the
data from the
sources,
and people are
playing around with
it,
and it's helping
them build out their
AI more.
And of course,
that's what they're
doing,
and we should all be
concerned about it.
And like I said,
in the last
episode,
my hope for AI does
not rest in anything
controlled by major
corporations,
but more in the
potential use in the
medical sphere and
helping people who
have disabilities
And,
you know,
maybe helping
someone with
dyslexia and trying
to help them,
you know,
whatever it may be,
the way we're using
AI now,
creating study
guides for students
so that they could
essentially cheat is
not the way,
in my opinion,
that it should be
going forward.
But I do think that
notebook LLM is
useful for some
students who may
need something like
this.
And for someone like
me when I was
younger,
having voices
discuss a subject
would have been
better.
But having subjects
discuss a subject
based off of any
source that I put
into it
in which I can put
false information
and it would still
create a document
that's concerning.
So we're still at a
some zero with this.
It's cool.
Uh,
there's a lot of
really big hype
around it.
Ultimately not that
great of a tool,
but potential is
there.
So
those are my
thoughts.
That's another
episode of this wild
podcast.
And don't forget to
tune in to Geek
Cipher this week so
you can hear my
actual full,
detailed review of
Joker Folie a Deux
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